tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2072226399526991149.post6130092063350866167..comments2023-06-29T12:07:43.973+01:00Comments on Program Your Own Mind 2: My problem(s) with Dark Knight Rises (spoilers)Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03109951687667398737noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2072226399526991149.post-69894229091358437592012-07-29T16:28:22.722+01:002012-07-29T16:28:22.722+01:00Bane had a "super" serum called "Ve...Bane had a "super" serum called "Venom" that gave him enhanced strength, but he was for all intents and purposes just a strong individual with a keen tactical mind (helped by said drug, though it made him crazy)<br /><br />So this isn't as far off an adaptation as it would first seem, minus the drug he's very close as a character.<br /><br />I agree with not comparing to comics too much, and the hints were there enough in the first two films that this would not be "canon", however there's taking a representation of the comics, and then just completely undermining the fundamentals of the character. The killing (implicit or otherwise), the quitting (No matter how much crime falls, there will still be crime, they say as much in the film...Bruce started out to stop muggers and thieves as much as mob bosses and super-criminals. Film wise maybe he only cares about organised crime, and comics tend to feature only the organised crime as they work in to story arcs...but the bat-family are always shown one way or another to be taking out general riff-raff as well.<br /><br />There's a point where Nolan's batman becomes too up himself, too good to help the general fight on crime, and that just wouldn't happen with any batman that truly follows the ethos of the comics.<br /><br />It's mostly nit-picky...the tl;dr is that I guess this is an amazing trilogy for non-comic fans, but general knowledge of the core fundementals of Batman mean that the third film actually sours our view of the trilogy. In this sense it is probably ready to be held up as the exact parallel of the original Star Wars trilogy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03109951687667398737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2072226399526991149.post-14841821326833431242012-07-29T00:35:53.553+01:002012-07-29T00:35:53.553+01:00Well.
Finally been to see it, and I guess the poi...Well.<br /><br />Finally been to see it, and I guess the points above are very valid. But I have to do a little bit of devil's advocate (or as I like to call it - Jeremy Vine-ing).<br /><br />Seems to me that Nolan decided to take this route with an 'emo' Bruce due the main narrative of TDK. He is broken due to Rachael, of course, and he does cut a depressive and self hating figure. The Joker's influence, despite killing his love, affected him as Batman as much as it did Bruce. Freak like me, etc.<br /><br />I do think that it is one of the real strengths of Nolan's films though; superheroes are generally seen to be full of confidence and the doubting Batman appealed more to the audience, setting it apart from the rest. The 'established Batman is something which would never have of worked these films.<br /><br />This tied really nicely into Bane (who obviously wanted Ra's wishes fulfilled at the request of his love, though, yeah a little tacked on, I suppose - but it was worth it for the reveal - which I also can't believe I didn't get!).<br /><br />Anyway, I'm digressing now.<br /><br />I think Bane was, like, superhuman in the general continuity of comics, etc? There was no suggestion of this here and the contrast of his resilient belief against Batman's doubt was a great touch. I don't think many other comic book heroes would get this treatment in film adaptations.<br /><br />I suppose he stopped because the crime rate was down, considerably, and it was what he felt (maybe) he owed Racheal, for her faith in him to stop. Albeit misplaced, which is revealed to Bruce in the film, with the letter.<br /><br />The climax did have some plot holes, and there was little strategy. I do feel that we (I include myself) have to be careful with how closely we align this to the comics, despite how inevitable and natural it is, as I think it's fairly counter-productive. The last 45 mins was very tense and the ad-hoc Batman did work well with this. Hashtag: Breaking Bad ;)<br /><br />I also thought the ending was great (if a little gratuitous), and thought that Nolan conveyed just what legacy Batman had left. He always did want a symbol, rather than a particular person. The statue, kids on a bus and Blake's prologue seemed to confirm that he had achieved what this Batman wanted to do (rather than a lie, as dreamy Ra's damned him with).<br /><br />But, yeah, just chucking a few counter arguments in there; but I agree with your post in general - a really great Trilogy and I think any more of 'The Dark Knight' would be too much.<br /><br />Also, best thing: Apart from Bruce and Selena, the only person who really gets a happy ending is Alfred. Otherwise, I would of been well pissed off.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912700848742298260noreply@blogger.com